TIPs to Spot FAKE "Rolex" 5512..5513 n 1680 Submariner Watch Cases..

Err...here's the little project that Orchi
is doing that has kept Orchi quite busy of late...

The ORIGINAL Rolex watch cases for Ref 5512...5513 n 1680...
with ROUNDED CROWN GUARDS...circa from about MID 60s to 1980 or so...
should be having EDZACHARY these...Original Rolex features:-

(NOTE: These Rounded Crown Guards may seems to be similar...
but they are actually NOT...)


1. Original Rolex Case Ref n Serial # fonts MUST NOT have...
LONG n EQUAL length with the Middle stroke of..."E"
The Middle Stroke MUST NOT be EQUAL in length...in "E"

The Middle Stroke of "E" MUST be...SHORTER.
along with the other fonts that MUST be consistent to ROLEX...
original variations of case stamping fonts...

2. At the back of the ROUNDED CROWN GUARDS...
there MUST be visible shape on this..."]" or "["
on the BASELINE of the lugs...to the watch case...
seen from BEHIND the backcase...

The BASELINE profile...
with PERPENDICULAR angle of Flanges...(90 degree)
MUST look like this..."[" or "]"...
depending on either the watch crown guards are seen...
from LEFT to RIGHT...

IF this BASELINE profile is looking like the one found with Ref 1665 DRSD or SD...
or with WIDER angle flanges slanting away from the PERPENDICULAR Baseline...

...*** WATCH OUT ***...

the watch case is...FAKEEEEE.

Here are the examples of ORIGINAL Rolex watch cases...
for Ref 551X n 1680 Sub...as well as 1665 SD for comparisons...
of the said BASELINE profile...
which can be easily seen from behind...
at the base of the Crown Guards...


Ref 1665 DRSD or SD...
with BASELINE profile(WIDER angle Flanges)...
NOT having the PERPENDICULAR Flanges...
at the base of the Crown Guards...to the watch case.


Ref 1680 RED or White Sub...
with BASELINE profile having PERPENDICULAR Flanges...
like "[" or "]"...
on the base of the Crown Guards...to the watch case...
seen from behind the backcase...


Ref 5512...n 5513 Sub...
From the Front...Topside or Sideways...
these ROUNDED Crown Guards...may be looking slightly different...
due to variation of production period or later Polishing works...
BUT from BEHIND...
the BASELINE MUST be the same...with Ref 1680...
having the PERPENDICULAR Flanges..."[" or "]"...
on the base of the Crown Guards...
seen from behind the caseback...

You won't see the REAL difference from any other angles...
they may look similar...

BUT from behind the backcase...VOILA...!!!

Here are the pictures showing exactly that...
ALL Original Rolex watch cases...
should have the...SHORT Middle Stroke of "E"...
It should NOT have the Middle Stroke in EQUAL length...

NO Exception:
The Middle Stroke MUST NOT be of EQUAL in length...
thus the so called...LONG Middle Stroke "E".


THESE here are pictures showing the 5512...5513...1680...
found in eBay...to have FAKEEEEEE...watch cases...
being sold from Hong Kong mostly...

The irony?...the relevant Seller(s) could also be members...
n lurkers in VRF...?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1970-Rolex-Submariner-5512-660ft-200m-Maxi-Dial-Divers_W0QQitemZ270546101182QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWristwatches?hash=item3efdcde3be


http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Submariner-5513-Gloss-Dial-with-RSC-Paper_W0QQitemZ140383455768QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWristwatches?hash=item20af818a18#ht_6323wt_958


http://shop.ebay.com.au/time_holder/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=10&_rdc=1

The EXPERTS have already known about these facts...for years...
BUT Orchi hopes that the Newcomers to VRF...
could be well alerted...accordingly...

IF Orchi had done this little project before September 2009...
one of Orchi's buddies in TRF...would NOT have gotten burnt...
ending up with a "1680" Submariner with FAKEEEE...watch case.

Very Sorry for this LONG winded Post...
IF this little project of Orchi offends the freaking Seller(s)...
from Hong Kong or elsewhere...

So be it...

NOTE: All pictures are except from VRF Market...
with exception of those showing...
the FAKEEE watch cases...

Best regards
Orchi.


Here's the relevant post in VRF:


http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/thread/1269763708/TIPs+to+Spot+FAKE+551X+n+1680+Sub+watch+cases..Pls+comment..%2B%2B

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/message/1269784819/Here%27s+d+comparison+again+Crown+Guards+between+1665+SD++vs.+551X-1680+SUB..%2B%2B


Here's the relevant post in TRF:


http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=121928

Tips to Spot A FAKE or Refinished Dial on TUDOR Shield Submariner...

Err buddies...as the general rule of thumb...for Orchi that is...
the quickest n easiest way to spot a FAKEEEE or Refinished...DIAL.
of any TUDOR Shield Submariner is this:-

1. "200m = 660ft"...(i.e. with spacing in between "=")...
is generally or usually or commonly or ordinarily...a FAKEEE...or Refinished!

"200m=660 ft"...is generally...CORRECT...!

2. "SWISS-T<25"...marked under 6 o'clock...
is a FAKEEE...or Refinished!

3. "T SWISS T" or "T SWISS MADE T" or "T-SWISS-T"...
is generally...CORRECT...!

4. The "=" between the Depth Rating Plot of "200m=660ft"
is aligned with "A"...of "SUBMARINER" vertically.


The Rolex TUDOR Shield Reference Models of Submariner...

7016/
76100
7021/
9401/
94010
9411/
94110
79090
79190

NOTE: The Earliest TUDOR Submariner with "THE ROSE" Emblem...is EXCLUDED.

Similar threads were also posted in the VRF...here.


http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/thread/1268792848/Tips+to+Spot+a+FAKE-Refinished+Dial+of+%26quot%3BTUDOR+Shield%26quot%3B+Submariner..%2B%2B


n in the TRF...here.


http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=119888


Best regards
Orchi.


An example of the CORRECT Depth Rating...
"200m=660ft" on the Original Dial...
looks...EDZACARY...like this...
with NO Spacing besides..."="...

In Search of Rolex Original Factory Silhouette n Bevel edges..or watches with FAT lugs..++

Err...or perhaps Orchi could be a lousy dreamer...?

Here's what Orchi netted during the last weekend trip abroad in...err...Hong Kong...
from a TRUE Gentleman Seller whom Orchi regards HIGHLY...
as ONE of the BEST Sellers that this esteemed VRF could offer...
n a True Buddy.

NOT only has Orchi bought several watches from him prior to this...
Orchi has grown to be very fond of him...personally too.

Whilst he sells significant numbers of regular Rolex watches or parts...
n other famous brands of Vintage watches on full time basis...
he is BEST known amongst several SERIOUS n Worldly collectors of RARER Vintage Rolex watches...
with whom he has been keeping himself...in a very low profile...
n his many AWESOME deals in Strictest Confidentiality...for his clienteles.

Although Orchi wishes NOT to disclose his identity OPENLY in here...just yet...
because Orchi finds him to be somewhat shy at times perhaps...
nevertheless...to those VRF BUDDIES that desires to...
PLEASE drop Orchi an email...n Orchi shall be MORE than pleased...
n willing to share him...n his vast resources with you...

Ppsssssttt...he sells them in excellent quality...
n at VERY reasonable prices too...

Best regards
Orchi.

Here's to you Buddy...!
You know who you are...Cheers!!!

Many thanks for letting Orchi have this very NICE...
Rolex 1675 GMT Master with 2.999mil case series...n Mk.1 Dial.


Its in between the Lugs:
Vital stat...Case Ref# n Serial Nos...
must be easily n CLEARLY...seen.


?t=1267546110


Its Bracelet:
Stamped 7836 Oyster + 380 End Links...n Dated "72"...
(Orchi finds this combo to be BEST for Vintage 1675 GMT)


?t=1267543132
?t=1267537631
?t=1267539407
?t=1267539443
?t=1267539574
?t=1267539462
?t=1267539479


Inside of its Backcase cover:
Stamped "III.70" with 1 RSC service mark...
n minor pitting on the fringe away from the Gasket...
at no compromise to its water proofing quality...


?t=1267540161
?t=1267540339


In its Movement compartment:
#D065xxx Cal.1575...is clean n tidy...
winding n running smoothly.
(with exception of a noticeable looseness of its Rotor Shaft)


?t=1267540381
?t=1267540470


On its Backcase:
Its Factory case machining lines n finishing is still evident...
(Recess lip next to backcase cover edge between the lugs base...
is present for Rounded Crown Guards 1675 cases)


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?t=1267540833
?t=1267541392


Its Imperfections...found on watch case n lugs:
Noticeable Scratches...Dents...Nicks n Dings here or there...
n everywhere...LOL.
(From regular usage during its 40yo age...
in fair wear n tear conditions)


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?t=1267541066
?t=1267541145
?t=1267541268
?t=1267541236
?t=1267541317
?t=1267541344
?t=1267541359


Its Imperfections on the Mk.1 variant Matte Dial:
Due mainly to its aging...n PRIOR mishandling...
(NOT noticeable UNLESS seen with a Lourpe of 10x or more magnifications)


A little bit of Lume marker material being scraped off by its 24hr GMT hand...previously.


?t=1267541647


Minute Lost of Matte paint around the fringes of the Dial...
caused by CARELESS handling...during watch servicing or what not...


?t=1267541845
?t=1267541921
?t=1267541958
?t=1267541982
?t=1267542006




HERE's are the Factory FAT Case Lugs:
Obvious noticeable scratches n what not...
from regular usage or careless handling over the last...
40yo or so...


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?t=1267542569
?t=1267542747
?t=1267542765
?t=1267542785
?t=1267542814
?t=1267542831
?t=1267542849
?t=1267542875


Here's its Hands:
(Seen with very minor cracks on lume n spotting)


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HERE's its Beautifully FADED Bezel n Dial conditions:
(Matching Patina on STRONG Dial Hour markers n Hands...
MOST White prints n plots on Dial are still very much intact...)


?t=1267543334
?t=1267542894
?t=1267542916
?t=1267542933
?t=1267542951
?t=1267542986


The original entry can be read from the VRF...


http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/thread/1267543568/In+search+of+Rolex+Original+Factory+Silhouette+n+Bevel+edges..or+watches+with+FAT+lugs..%2B%2B


Thanks for watching...